Sorry Norm, your wrong. Maybe it wasn't you I asked to move the fire but I did ask someone. The fire was directly in front of Hacienda and not near the locals nipa hut. I can show you the exact spot next time your up here. Had it been near the nipa hut then I would never have complained.
I apoligize for saying you are from Bagiuo, thats what Pancita from Hacienda told me.
My question is, why did you light the fire knowing the smoke was going to fill up my house. Do you have such little regard for others and what consequences your actions may create.
Yours has been the only fire I have put out because all the others have been more considerate. What about the trash you and your pals left on the beach that nite. Did you clean it up? no you didn't.
What dosn't surprise me is the anger being vented by your fellow countrymen at me for something I didn't start.
Just another name to add to the police report. Not you Norm

Hope my names not going on the police report. I am the only one using his real name

As an aside, before Knefut tops me, while we are talking about the local surfers nipa hut, that during a meeting of lot owners to discuss  security problems, Atty.Yabes, owner of SeBay, was going to ask the San Juan Mayor to have it demolished as he thought all the robberies were being done by the local surfers.
I convinced him that it wasn’t the locals doing the break-ins and that the hut should stay as it was a great place for them to hang out. And so it remains to this day.
Had I been the scumbag foreigner you all think I am, I would have driven Atty. Yabes to the mayor’s office myself.
I also happen to be sponsoring a local surfer to compete in the Aurora cup next weekend.
Knefut, what has Partas Bus Company got to do with anything? You’re on another planet man.
Your ok marclucas, I am just giving them printouts of the posts. All a bit over the top isn't it?
Glad I didn't squash a trycycle.

on a side note,
is the hacienda resort a nice resort to stay in?  where is it exactly?

mark if we meet the beers going to be on me.

mr. gjs, if you are going to file a legal case against me, send me a private message or email, im tired of arguing in the forum about this. ill not let anyone force me to travel to san juan because of expressing my opinion on certain allegations. file a case in any manila trial court if you want.

and todd, ill have my biases on anything that forum members post, perhaps mr. gjs would like to assume the administrator position.

No probs Al.

Norm, I have just printed out your post and re-read it in a more leisurely way.
First of all I said it must be read in conjunction with the “Surf the Philippines with us” thread. I can see that you are an educated man and I was not critisizing your government or country but the way power is used to benefit a few do the detriment of many. I am all for freedom to surf wherever you like and do not condone private surf spots in any way. I am friendly with the Badoc Island management (not owners) and I tell them this all the time but it is the local officials who make the rules whether they are legal or not.
How my putting out your fire became an issue in a very good thread is a mystery but I suspect the instigator has a deep seated hatred for all foreigners and nothing we say here will change that.
Anyway Norm, I just have to clarify with you a few FACTS.
The fire you started was on the dry sand creek mouth which runs between my place and Hacienda. The fire was 15 metres from my boundary and 20 metres from my house. The nipa hut is 76 metres from my boundary. Had the fire been in FRONT of my place or near the nipa hut there would not have been a problem. As you know the wind was very strong and it took you a long time to get the fire started hence my standing on my balcony trying to get you to stop. As you said “the sound of the waves surely overpowered our noise” (I never complained about any noise and it was wrong of you to insinuate that I did) so I guess you couldn’t hear me also. You knew EXACTLY what I was saying! You were only 20 metres away, not 76metres
And you think I am going to carry a “huge” pale of water 76metres. Not likely.
And you didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to know which way the smoke was going to go.
I do accept your apology but I do think one of your group is being a little short on the truth because I did ask previously not to light there.
As for the “locals” not liking me, that’s ok. In every group there are a few losers and as they were in the hut that nite I suspect it was them. They hate all foreigners, not just me. Why they are called “locals” I don’t know, they don’t come from this place. Maybe Knefut was one of them. The real locals are a bunch of great guys and my friends also.  

Al, I am just giving the police copies of these forums. I am not going to lay charges against anyone. If anything happens to myself or my place or family it will give them somthing to go on. That is pretty heavy shit knefut is dishing out and he should be banned unless he identifies himself

war never changes... locals wanting to have localisms... overthrowing.. hatred... it's the shit we created and it's the shit we love and we'll all go down the drain with it..

more power to hatred.. THIS IS A GREAT FORUM!

this is how great filipinos are.... flips... and im one of em... damned...

GJS I am sorry but I must throw my 2 cents worth into this. It is not the local officials at Badoc who stop surfers from surfing there. It is advertised in the surf mags as exclusive it even states in the advertising that there are 6 breaks all exclusive to the resort. Why are there no local Pinoy surfers at Badoc I am sure good intentioned surfers have left boards behind for the kids to use. This was explained to me one day with the excuse that Ilocanos are generally lazy and do not take up the offer. This is bulls#it. In October 1984 in Curimoa I had kids flocking around me to use my board and as I stated before my mates were recently told by the Baranguay Captain that if they had any trouble surfing the place he would sort it out. I would suggest he is a local official. The only way the local authorities would hinder anyone is if they are getting some monetary gain from it.(this I would never know) As it was my mates were not hassled but maybe that was because no one was there at the time not even the manager or any sort of caretaker.
These are facts.
If the manager or for that matter the owners dispute this then get them on this forum to explain the situation and we will assist them in getting it sorted out.

Arang ka nindot man pd diay sa balod dri yati rah!in short nice wave in badoc http://www.surftheearth.com.au/Badoc%20Island%20Resort.html

marclucas, the manager would love to have internet connection but there are no landlines to the place,Im not sure about the owners in Oz though. Methinks the barangay captain would say anything so as not to offend anyone, the resort makes substancial donations to the school each year and I dont think they would like to lose that. As for locals not surfing, not sure, but it is not like LU where friendly learning surf is common, the beaches around Badoc are pretty poor quality.

Does that mean because the resort gives substantial money to the school each year you are not allowed to surf there if you don't stay at the resort. Couldn't that be seen as some sort of corruption even though they are helping out the school. Why could'nt they still give money to the school and also allow others to surf the place. The advertisement does say exclusive.(no more than 10 surfers to be exact) If the place was opened up to tourist others would start accomodation style places and not only would the school benefit but so would the rest of the people in the area. You know, things like jobs. The resort would benefit also with surfers stopping there to say buy lunch or have a few beers. The only thing that would suffer would be the exclusive tag. Would still like the manager to give his and the owners point of view. Why should someone who books a package from say Australia be allowed exclusive rights to surf in someone elses country yet the local people cannot. Sounds a strange sort of deal to me. If they tried it in Australia they would be run out of town.
The power to exploit must be so wonderful
Also the power of Majestics did not stop the local boys and girls from surfing. They didn't need to learn on beachbreaks. Why do you support what they are doing by making excuses for them when you state that you are against the idea. Strange reasoning. By the way the Baranguay Captain freely offered the help he was not asked for any assistance. They say it is the most consistant surf in the Northern Philippines if so it should be shared by all. After all not to many places in the PI can boast being consistant.
Cheers
At least we have gotten away from the i'm gonna kill you or i'm gonna sue you mentality we had earlier in this post.

Settle down Mark, you asked a question and I tried to give you an answer. I dont condone what they do I just told you how it is. As I said earlier, anyone can surf badoc if they want to, just dont ask for help unless you stay at the resort. That is THEIR policy, not mine.
Well, Their setting up for the longboard comp, gotta go

Think I'll pass on this particular forum discussion... and go surfing.

Question Why surfers or whatever entity they want who they are,or creatures dress like a surfer,talk like a surfer.then act most of the time they have a homebreak!!!!
And now!they sowing to the naive mind of the real surfers this thing they called "LOCALISM" in which before! in reality... local people know that this thing is not even existing!!just wandering